You sound exactly like me. Please contact me at [email protected]. 2nd issue is why you choose Lisbon not Algarve which is warmer at winter , as long as you have remote job . Anywhere you live will have bad and good points. Maybe you should find another home. I spent my summers in Aveiro (parents & grandparents are Portuguese). In all, would you advise me to really refrain from moving to Porto, or it is still a good bet for a year or two, to live and work in one of the beautiful countries. You can apply for a residence permit at any SEF office ( Serviço de Estrangeiros e Fronteiras ) or your local freguesia (town office). Hello James, Hey Todd, if I move to Portugal this year, I am happy to connect ð Best wishes, Vicky, ” I am 47 yrs old and have health insurance through Medis. If you’re aged 68 or over when you officially become a resident in Great Britain, you’ll be allowed to drive for 3 years.Once this time has passed, you will need to exchange your licence. Regards. By the time we move my eldest will be an adult (she wants to go to school in France so sheâll come with us wherever we choose) and my youngest a young teenager. You can read a bit more about them here: https://www.portugalist.com/nif-number-portugal/. UAU! So much so the joke among some friends is that it is a bit like visiting a “Portugal World” at a Disney resort with a few Portuguese thrown in for local color and “authenticity”! It is a city, and has all that would be expected of a city. In return he tried to burn our house down. This morning, I went to the market and then on a short walk, I heard English only, btw. hahah they re the ultÃmate trickers(No, we Know…you are better than Brasilians.. Yes, it is true, there is a whole “digital nomad” industry here incl. Never again. Not real Lisbon, its a tourist disneyland form of it. It is something to consider for those who can afford only a farm house in rural Portugal but would like to live among academics, think twice. Iâm trying to escape the bureaucracy Of America, but may have to change my mind on Portugal. Yes, I found some with education, but … still no manners, I was never so insulted and harrassed in my life. The Portuguese are warm-hearted but also reserved. I think it will be shorter lived time in Portugal. T … Having been immigrants, we have already experienced many changes, but would like to make an informed decision. I am not Portuguese, but have owned a vacation home near Lisbon for many years. The locals could be a bit backward. Hello, We came here to Loule, Algarve, Portugal from Scandinavia in December 2020 for a month long Christmas vacation, and today we are still here. We love Portugal, the people, and weather. This ‘cannot do’ attitude towards life in general is killing you and your beautiful country. From the Algarve to Porto, each area has its pros and cons. The UK is probably one of the easiest places for making friends. South Africa) to get their insights into the differences between life here and their home country. Definitely rent first. Bureaucracy, Janine. I’m going to sell my house in Pacifica, CA and buy house in Portugal. If I would think that it is easy to make friends in Ireland I would first try it there, but I think its easier to make friends in Portugal, correct me if I am wrong ð Start there, and let me know how you get on. And I’m worried bc I have epilepsy and I’ve read many articles that getting a specialist is very difficult. It takes effort to go out of your comfort zone but I have found it to be well worth it. Prepare to wait at least 2-3 month for your mail to arrive, even from Spain! One of the best posts. I stumbled on a couple of US expats living abroad for the past 9, Kalie & Josh. Wow Sue, I love your comment! companies in order to promote their agenda and enrich their pockets. That week turned into 2 weeks and then into3-4 weeks. Be warned yes, Portugal is the best place to live in Europe, but there is a high price to pay for this privilege! I could go on and on, but just wanted to say thank you for the post, helped validate my own observations and lighten my soul. It was a spelling error. Sounds exactly what we are looking for ðð¥, Wow great to hear Sue My husband was born in Madeira so Iâm lazy and let him do all the talking for official things etc. Children know all about this trickery, teachers despise the practice. Just to make you aware that the Spanish are much more dynamic and open than the Portuguese. Now any European can apply European Citizen Residency In Portugal. Personally, I’d stay away. If you’re married ... Those married to, or in a registered civil relationship with, an Irish citizen can apply for an Irish passport after one year of “reckonable residence” in the European country, ... I’m an US Citizen living in Mexico. From what I hear about Lisbon, it sounds similar in size to Brooklyn alone. We unfortunately didnât visit Madeira on our scouting trip during Nov 2019. Val, A NIF is a fiscal number which you use when making most financial transactions in Portugal. Also I was wondering if options such as credit unions exist there? You don’t need to register to vote before every election. But don’t expect much else. They never respond. And, it’s quite rare that anyone ever tells you. In more developed cpuntries you pay 2 weeks after delivery and can return the items without any sinister restriction. Like you I live in the S.F bay area and my fiancé and I are planning a move to Portugal in the next 12-24 months. Even if you aren’t currently living in Ireland, or haven’t lived there previously, you may be entitled to Irish citizenship if you were born in Ireland or if one of your parents or grandparents was an Irish citizen. The damp is definitely an issue and, yes, it doesn’t mix well with age or joint problems. A combination of both isn’t a bad idea as the private hospitals can’t always cover everything and you may have to use the public hospitals from time to time (although your private insurance will often bump you up the waiting lists). Hi Julie. Just the fact that politics in Pt can’t be as terrible as the hate and division has come to here and there are no mass shootings and rarely earthquakes or hurricanes is quite the incentive. Thank you. Electricity and petrol are two good examples of things that are really expensive in Portugal. Then how come everybody are suing them for their roofs? There’s an American lady that lives in Vila Real de Santo Antonio in the Algarve that has helped many expats with real estate purchases. At least to learn to speak. I am thinking about relocating from SA, and at this point, I have been applying for jobs at international companies, based in Portugal. I did not pay high rents, I always bargained, also for respect to the local people, to not raise their rents and prices. This information here is really spot on! Global Citizen believes that Austria, Australia, Portugal, Spain, and Italy should also increase their contributions toward meeting the $100 billion pledge. That has to be the most open, honest and accurate views of moving abroad! Just go to your local public health centre and sign up for the Utente number. I work California hours (9-5 Pacific time, 5pm-1am Portugal time), and I sleep in until 10 or 11am. Also – yes, there are loads of Facebook groups for English speakers in Portugal e.g. To put this in perspective, my wife and I are looking to retire in Europe. The definitive expat guide to living in Colombia | Nomad Capitalist - […] a dual citizenship country, you will not have to renounce your current citizenship to become a citizen of […] All 22 Countries that offer e-visas: The Ultimate Guide | Nomad Capitalist - […] been four years since I wrote one of our most popular articles on which countries offer dual citizenship. ln the UK it`s easy to be called a friend, even if you don`t know them that well whereas in Germany, as you know because you grew up there, there is a clear distinction between a freund, many are formed during childhood, and a bekannten, ein aquaintance ! I have read that this is happening in Boise, Idaho against the Californians who are flocking there and driving up real estate prices. I agree there is a lot of barking dogs in Portugal, however I do not mind them at all. I can live better there than where I am now with my pension in a few years. Thank you so much. I also compare it to the other English-speaking and Northern European countries that I know well enough as this is where many Portugalist readers come from. Not so sure I can handle it and I do not speak Portuguese. I want to know if my daughter can study in French universities by having Portuguese residence? away? Coast a lot cooler than inland, of course mountains different again. I wonder how Spain does in that department though? Never mind that everything always stays damp, I was unable to dry my clothes. However, my observation about the expats from the western countries like UK or Germany – they often try to escape serious problems and bring them from one country to another. We asked them, and they said ‘oh no’. Just speak English. Unannounced! Obrigado. Northern Portugal is nothing like the Irish climate. Accident happened: car hit the stone wall of my house in Portugal: man seemed to be hurt and the car he drove was badly damaged. Next – health care. Itâs true, in the northern region and at the coast you have damp climate in winter, we need a humidifier to fight mold, but that happened the same way when we lived near Boston. Again that is all socially backward stuff. Online shopping is not an option. Now imagine how we “suffer” living in a small village in the Azores 1700 km west from Lisbon, in the middle of Atlantic ocean. Also what do you think it’s better to buy an apartment renovate it and then rent it and then buy a house or build it ? All Irish resident recipients of a U.S. Social Security Pension are now exempt from withholding tax on such pensions in the U.S. Your worldwide income is subject to U.S. income tax, regardless of where you reside, and there are specific filing requirements and tax rules for claiming deductions, credits and other taxes. You can a vaccine date online through the SNS website….. They’re desperate to fill you up with unproven chemicals! It is probably much easier in the big cities or Algarve. Finally after much arguments the 112 operator hung up on me. I have lived in Portugal for a year and a half now and one thing I would like to share with anyone thinking of moving her is the complete lack of service you will encounter when trying to deal with Portuguese social services. Weâre all happy to make friends regardless of nationality, but the Portuguese donât want to be friends with us. No government departments ever pick up the phone. As the result prices and rents did not go up for the locals. AJ. Porto is by far my favorite area, but apparently has terrible winters. Irish citizens can apply for first time passports and renewals online if they are resident in: Avenida da Liberdade, Nr. So, in my mind’s eye, I can visualize the Portuguese government periodically increasing income requirements and taxation in order to attract wealthier expats. There is no paradise. The bureaucracy and the total lack of service and extreme slowness are mind boggling, numbing, infuriating … my stress level here is waaaay higher than elsewhere, and people make me aggressive, and I have never ever met such aggressive women. My Portuguese( azores portuguese.lol) is quite good. There are 28 countries in the EU. Forget getting international birthday presents and Christmas parcels⦠you wonât receive them and you can bet the Quinta your parcels wonât reach their destination either! Then Portugal is no longer appealing and it’s on to the next undiscovered “hot spot” in a never-ending cycle of boom and bust. 1: More EU countries guarantee British expats post-Brexit grace periods. Iâll still freelance and my husband will by then as well. Citizen Registration is for Irish citizens only. If you’re buying a property and have $1200 left over, that’s plenty. Gladly there was an option to say NO. As to internet quality, I really don’t think you’ll have a problem if you are able to get Fibre. I respect your experience if it is not exaggerated. I would have thought the USA would be less bureaucratic than most places in Europe. Sounds like a lot of research needs to take place as you would expect. I think you should check out Portugal for yourself. It takes on average 6 months for ordered goods from China to arrive in the islands. For others used to more insular environments in the US, though, it will be a change. I moved to Portugal in May hoping to make it my permanent home base after 8 years on the road as a digital nomad. All the best, and good luck with your decision. Mold, it depends. There is so much going for you, if you were only able to understand. If anyone has useful information about internet quality, it would be much appreciated. I have actually never left a comment anywhere online before, so here is a first. those who are professional and those who are really need it. Getting a Second Passport through Grandparents - Ireland. Thanks Rick your description of expat life in Portugal could not be better! There’s no way that internet/tv is expensive here. That might surprise some readers from the island whose media socialisation comprises the weekly dose of Nazi films on TV â yet, at present, thereâs hardly a better place to live as a foreigner, because here youâre not âum estrangeiroâ, youâre respected, itâs easy to make friends, you have a high level of living and public service. Upset Italians about anything, they all go on strike until they get what they want. Also, did you learn Romanian as well? Vodafone is probably the most recommended provider. Couldnât imagine doing it any other way really. Do the maths! Everything is unreliable. Move to another state which is more accommodating of weed or somewhere that has no issue with it and a cheap cost of living like Colombia or Uruguay. Come here in winter, rent a house away from tourist areas, and rent a car. Adopt local culture? Right on Daniela! Let me know if you make it there. It’s definitely possible to live on this amount, however, I think you need to consider a few things. Kids international school? With the current Covid 19 situation I have put back any plans to visit Portugal until winter at the earliest. Sounds like another godless country with no real Christian standards, honesty, integrity, etc and therefore a no-can-do attitude and depressive people. Labyrinthine bureaucracy coupled with poor training and incompetence makes for frustration and a hamstrung economy in normal times. Non-Irish and non-British family members of Irish citizens living in the UK will generally need to apply to the EUSS, even if their Irish citizen family member chooses not to apply under the scheme. We just moved to Portugal and I enjoyed reading your post. Hi Ellie! Definitely not somewhere to become a self made success. Often just painted over. I will keep following the market and thinking of further questions to ask you. Everything you have pointed out has in one way or another crossed my path…However at the end of the day, I’m in control of my happiness and well being, not Portugal and or the U.S.A. I’ll take the con’s any day, than the cons in the U.S.A. here in Portugal…Get Busy living…, Very positive and enlightening! Try learn the language and integrate? Which is excruciatingly slow and is absolutely unacceptable. Where do you live? And a LONG way still to go. Much appreciated your comments! Leaning German is hard and all my friends are expats. âA plainclothes officer who lived in the area was shot dead as he ran to investigate the row, and a patrol officer then called to the scene was shot in the head and killed. It’s cos in Ireland (and I presume the UK too) there is a black mold species that can cause severe toxicity and is very hard to get rid of. Bleach or bleach based products are the best to eliminate mold! Easier language, and Vlad the Impaler, whatâs not to like!? I'm a US citizen living in US and he is an Irish citizen, living in Ireland. I generally get a whiff of “don’t bother me please” from women ages 20-50 or so, as if there were pushy men bothering them often. The “cons” list concerns me a bit,but not enough to sway my decision much. Thanks people. According to this survey published in the Irish Times, owning and operating a vehicle will cost you about $1,000 a month in Ireland. So 5 weeks after moving in I gave up and signed up for My neighborhood in Brooklyn has cafes, a museum, a large park and a separate botanic garden, and the main branch of the library, as well as the “downtown” shopping area, a major transportation hub, a weekly farmers market, and a sports arena – all within a mile of my flat. And they were just as cold and unfriendly as before. We are planning to donate our property to local parks and organizations once we are done in this life. This is obviously more of a downside for the Portuguese living in Portugal who typically have less buying power on average, but it’s still a downside for expats as well. At least there are no wild dogs. Funchal has a very dangerous airport, with no alternatives. Any EU citizen staying in Portugal for more than 90 days has to get temporary residency in Portugal. That’s not an exaggeration. It does sound like Lisbon might be the best bet for you. The rest is not necessary. You might think it’s fake and, being honest, it is. A. Thank you. As different nations offer their own supplementary games, playing It means: According to Statista, in 2018, there were more road accident fatalities in 10 other European countries like Romania, Greece, and Luxembourg. Today I brought the document they told me was needed last time I was there: they barely looked at it, and asked me for something new. Portugal is ok only for the rich who come to retire and haven’t a clue about the country is about. It is possible that in more expensive areas, people may be more respectful and might care about where they live. I don’t get why people insist on telling someone ‘just to leave’ if they say anything negative about Portugal. I would love to get in touch with you! Itâs a bit of a cultural desert in the Algarve though maybe Iâm just ignorant about what is possibleâ¦Iâm interested in the history of the Muslim occupation and this isnât very well documented⦠or perhaps not well advertised. Thanks Jude! The downsides are , for us, the medical issues. They are correct. My boyfriend and I are thinking about moving to Portugal, particularly one of the small rural villages bc his family already has a house there. I think it makes sense to draw comparisons between other European countries because people are often looking at living in Portugal VS Spain, for example. I was planning a scouting trip last April, but pandemic. In-person appointments at the Embassy will only be possible in exceptional emergency circumstances and by prior arrangement via the lisbonembassy@dfa.ie email address. Lots of people live in Portugal and work online. Poop is the most common problem, followed by noise. Get out of the US, after all we’ve experienced here the past 5 years with politics, guns and climate disruption Portugal is a much better fit if you can handle the above concerns. The restaurants in Lisbon downtown have become tourist traps with bad food and high prices. Wish you the best on trying to impose your native language in any foreign country…. Most people end up doing construction to their homes on the weekends, here, to avoid getting asked about permits. So even once you make a Portuguese friend, you don’t really want to be around them, because they’re such a freakin’ downer all the time. That said, Portugal does have some of the lowest salaries in Western Europe. I think it depends on where you live. I suppose there is a good possibility of a decent rental income there too. Thank you for the input Jerry. All doing the same dumb things. I wouldn’t change your mind on Portugal after reading these comments. You can’t vote in UK Parliamentary general elections. Portugal gets some good thunderstorms every now and then, but I haven’t been to the East Coast to compare. But to note, I did not move back to my native country, I wonder why! I had a large quinta in rural Algarve which I left because of the cold and damp climate in winter, and the uneducated neighbourhood. Register to vote (Opens in new window) To register to vote online, you need just five minutes and your National Insurance number. But for any of you who are wondering whether Portugal is right for you: heed my story. Maybe some international companies which are doing business in USA. There are plenty of thieves in the neighbourhood who even steal things of low value such as flower pots, ornaments. Spanish is easier, cost of living is much cheaper, can use dollars and they are probably better places to live and people to be around. Here’s one example: If Portuguese airlines can turn off the air supply through the above-seat air nozzles for the entire trans Atlantic flight and ignore your cries for a glass of water what does that tell you about your future life there? How is the winter climate in the area around Porto? This is one of the most interesting self-aware comments I have read and the most thought provoking. Before I make the move(3 to 5 years) I will learn as much of the local language as I can. Hello, Sometimes a job takes them there, other times it’s a relationship that makes one decide to pack up and move overseas. It’s the worst reason to move here. I miss especially more networking or things like workshop opportunities around entrepreneurship, things like efficient copy shops, … and I am craving substance. Where an Irish employee is leaving Ireland temporarily, depending on their Irish tax residence position and number of work days spent in Ireland, they may continue to have a liability to PAYE on their Irish employment income earned while working abroad. I have my own parking place in a secure garage, washer/dryer, dishwasher and central heat/AC. You can get fiber in a lot of towns and cities. Main reasons are the negative attitude of the Portuguese in general, that canât do attitude is hard to deal with and the thought of spending the rest of my years here has made me wake up and plan my new life. The more melancholic aspect is interesting… I suspect the economic hardship of recent decades may also play a part…. walking and carrying things about. They canât give an immigrantâs perspective. Of course, there are large international communities in parts of the country which can fill this gap while you work on those relationships. Sorry to hear that. But I do feel many times I hear this view, itâs poorly considered or poorly formed. Weâre looking to move in about 5-6 years, and we will begin to travel to visit places on our list this fall. That’s not to say these types of crimes don’t happen, but it’s less of a concern here. But paid 3 times as much. It takes people decent people like you to do it. Living abroad away from your family can be vastly lonely and alienating, especially if the language is difficult to learn (hello Portugal and Greece). But finding nice year round weather is impossible. What do you think might work for me? I know not any country is perfect. I live in Canada which is an especially friendly place (we say âsorryâ a lot) where life is easy to navigate in all aspects (housing, banking, medical care, all amenities, language, etc) and in retirement I would prefer to avoid the challenges that have been detailed in this blog. I have been to Portugal many times. Every person will find a language easy or difficult, one may find Spanish easier than Portugues, another may not, or find Portuguese easier. Now I pay â¬60 ($70) per month, for 200 channels of tv, 200mps internet service, and cell service with 20GB/month (this is with MEO). Yearly we return to Portugal to a home weâve had there since 1999. Also because my roots are Romanian I might feel more at home in Portugal than Ireland. Irish citizenship by birth. I think we should all be kind to expats and immigrants in all places and not judge because judging just does not help. My next door neighbor is 35 and same prognosis and has also that attitude and laughs and smiles a lot. They will surely better understand you next time. This is obviously unique to Portugal in that Portuguese is seen as harder than some other European languages, particularly Spanish. This is a lot to address, but your help (and others’ comments would be great). Obviously everywhere has its upsides and downsides and it’s really a case of deciding whether the pros outweigh the cons. Itâs not about having the right accent. What a bunch of whingers. A qualifying foreign citizen is a citizen of another country who has permission to enter or stay in the UK, or who does not need such permission. As a result of experiences in Portugal I am wary also of Spain. Since this is the first article that seems to give me a dose of truth, rather than bland platitudes about Portugal, what has been the experience of others – who have moved. Hi Todd, I just can see 3 tiers , but the highest one still requests copay 10% and consultancy fee , do you use the same , or have better one without any pay. The point behind these two examples is that many people here may try to be helpful, but sometimes they just don’t know what they are talking about. In 1860, seven out of 10 foreign-born people in the United States were Irish or German. If you are looking For friendly people, easy integration go to Ireland . This is good to know regarding the installation of air con. Others are seeking ways to have a more “comfortable” way of life while earning as digital nomads, etc. When you live in a country whose first focus is family and local friends, and you come from a country where people abandon each other for business opportunities or a chance to live in a prime location, are you ready not to be trusted because your values are out of sync? Am I right in thinking you are American? When people move to the states some do the same as well and comparatively speaking we accomodate people more than other places. In Portugal and a lot of Southern Europe, the lust for life is really for things like food and family. Pleased to meet you, and hope the move to Portugal goes well. If you donât like it LEAVE. Just like that. Portugal has an issue with bank corruption. I paid a couple thousand dollars for an immigration services company to help with some of the bureaucracy and it is worth it. I knew this about Portugal before moving here: we starting having these sorts of experiences from the very moment we called the Portuguese consulate in Melbourne, Australia. Or else to have the good judgement to cut your losses and restart in a society you find more congenial. I second that. Is there a sight or a section where expats can look up vendors to use or avoid? Hi Michael; I wish you’d share that private message with me. Dogs and parasites: I got fleas here. Thanks for your information. Will it cost more, not ridiculously expensive but cheaper than dealing with a possible delay in your belongings and finding yourself having to buy replacements until yours do arrive and arrive at your place youâll be living at. As a German who has lived 15 years in London and 3years in Italy, I agree that Portugal is probably the worst people experience.
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