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Hi, By the way wahoo got a 0% installment payment right now. I travel a fair bit, both for work and for fun. Plus any time you want to toss atop that. And as Ray pointed out in the review, from the wheel on’s snap is kind of the best. No knocking noise. I hadn’t calibrated the trainer since the original issues and decided to do so before Stage 2 of TdZ (after warming up for 10 minutes). Even Wahoo and 4iiii also ran into struggles this season. Like the Elite Zumo, it doesn’t quite nail the set point s as good as some higher-end trainers. 2020 Nike, Adidas, Jordan, Vans, Puma, Converse & Saucony Sneakers Outlet Online - Europe. Simply crack it open and let it search for nearby trainers: At present it’ll actually show all nearby Bluetooth Smart power capable devices, which is a filtering issue Elite is working on so that it’ll only show Elite trainers. I’ve no hardware issues. I have calibrated with the Elite app. No amount of spacer shifting will change that unfortunately. It’s so annoying. It´s just a matter of presentation of data. Has anyone else had a similar issue (I’m in the UK). Linking my PM to zwift is an option. (For US & European users). I had to adjust gears as well. Including an 11 speed cassette is no use to those of us still on 10 speed setups. Mine is going back. Just two days later it’s now waiting for me at home. Does anybody else experience this with a newer unit like mine? If you’re new around these parts, here’s the long version of my story. I cover that in my original overview video here: As Elite notes in the getting started guide/papers, you’ll want to apply a bit of oil to your chain to go ahead and get the new cassette all happy. That at least is my impression from following Ray’s site for a while now. With two rings I had to readjust my gears. Many readers stumble into my website in search of information on the latest and greatest sports tech products. I bought a Suito last week and everything seems to work well apart from my speed, I seem to be cycling always faster than 100 km/h(sometimes 300 km/h), power wattage and cadence seems to be normal. AFAIK, this trainer can handle the 3 real standards I listed. Is there a fix for the ticking noise or does one have to live with it? Elite has been unable to instruct me how to do this on the Suito trainer. Readings kinda all over the place, probably a feature, not a bug though. Sadly I can’t comment as my purchase is yet to be delivered. And it seems like there is no Software update coming…. I am really dreading going through the whole warranty process again but will have to do it at some point. If I just turn it off for a couple seconds and turn it on, the speed then seems to start reporting correctly for that wattage. I’ve a lot of fun with it on Zwift. I uninstalled Zwift again, making sure I deleted all of the user files, reinstalled, same thing – no resistance. I followed the info in this review. That said, Elite has been pretty active in swapping out trainers. So just trying not to mess it up , Here it is. In my attempts to deal with Elite I am offered zero warranty information and am told to deal with the shop I bought it at. First is how quickly it responds to the commands of the application. I connect via ANT+ dongle to my iMac. I purchased Suito just recently, in preparation of the ‘off season due to pandemy’ and it seems to be one of the newer batches (SUL serial number, 2,5 m cable, recent firmware right on the start and hardware revision 4 according to Upgrado app) I was thinking of swapping out the wahoo for this but it doesnt look anymore promising. I ended up returning the Suito and went with the Wahoo. I simply don’t use the block, because it changes geometry to ‘constant climbing’ and had butt aches due to that. The Suito did change resistance when I ran Zwift on my phone with Bluetooth but nothing works with ANT+, which is unacceptable. Good luck and Happy New Year. Hardware revision 3, Serial no SUK, arrived with latest firmware. Cadence has been all over the place, though, to the point that I popped a cadence monitor on my crank arms just to make sure I hadn’t lost my mind. There better not be ANY issue with this unit or I am demanding refund and will look towards a Saris H3, Wahoo Kickr or a Tacx Neo2. Should I try to contact a local agent who can help. Questions The problem is that I can’t shift and the small cog rubs on my frame…. I've had this for years, and use it in places where I don't have a big screen or desk, but just an iPad or tablet on my road bike bars. I am in the market for an Elite Suito and live in the US as well. Sent a video to Clever Training who passed it on to Elite. Is this one of the really early releases? Just tried to check adjustments underneath and it seems to have 7mm allen keys!!! Why do they recommend the small ring up front and what do you experience related to this? A friend of mine has one, which is also fine (but he’s not so keen on exact power values). For example, check out these two moderate 600w surges I did – it easily nailed the wattage here: And then again at these 800w sprints I did – it’s virtually identical between the different power sources: If we look at the Mean/Max graphs for this ride, you’ll see the values are also super close across all the devices (and recording types): Nobody would quibble about those numbers, that’s for sure. is it possible for you to help to bring clarification? In the UK/EU/Australia/New Zealand? I had trainer difficulty at 100%. And the cause of the accuracy was oddly an incorrect bit of code within the Elite E-Training app (specifically inside the Advanced Configuration page), that would solidly hose up the trainer. I insisted that there is something wrong with my trainer and after that, they sent me a fix I was supposed to try (see attached screenshot, basically just tightening both sides of wheel axis, similar to fix Tobias posted above). Now I feel even worse about my ride yesterday! But it’s also not terribly different from other trainers in this ballpark. It’s a KOGA Miyata equipped with Shimano 600 and a 6-speed cassette. No significant flywheel wobble. Good. Almost a month with no trainer due to distance and the holiday’s. Hello, so I decided to share my experience with Suito as well, mostly for reference purposes. Too bad they couldn’t send a new one out once they had a tracking number of the unit I sent back today. Not the best period for elites image. Couldn’t find it on Elite’s website . Who knows if they’ll be able to solve it, maybe the hardware is flawed. The assumption these days is largely that you use 3rd party apps and know how to use it. In general, Elite apps and the rest of UX don’t feel very polished – Elite, please fire the person who translated the user manual to Czech, it is embarrasing. You probably need to go with a wheel-on trainer for your set up. Shimmy on the handlebars. And being awesome is what it’s all about! Any help would be much appreciated! Distributor shipped it right away. It goes on sale for 619$ +40$ shipping, every 3rd day. Consodering purchasing the Suito, having trouble figuring out if it will work with my dale synapses 142x9mm quickrelease or the dropouts. Definitely nothing excessive like the youtube materials I saw on the subject of Suito knocking sound with first batches. I didn’t want to “cheat” by decreasing either the FTP in E-Training parameter or the % of difficulty during the session (still in the app) so I tried to use the “PML” the Power Meter Link. However, after that I started having issues (the resistance disappears during workout in Garmin, Zwift pairs with the trainer but does not read neither speed nor power (no resistance). In less than 24 hours they responded with an email that had a prepaid UPS shipping label and instructions of what to do. To be fair, the distributor replaced the first one really quickly. On the bright side, at least all three are consistent throughout the set: And technically speaking, if you added up the margin of error for all the units, they’re actually almost within that, assuming you use the mean value as the baseline. The size of the nut is 30mm and you can tighten it with a spanner or an adjustable wrench. Of course I am trying to find the best deal online. I really wanted to like this trainer, I thought plenty of time had passed to get everything sorted out. I've got three of these $12 fans floating around the DCR Cave, and I frequently use them on rides. You can either turn it on anytime you want, or just when you enter workout mode. Thanks. Make sure that 30mm nut is tightened before going for warranty. With ERG you aren’t supposed to change gears as the unit will increase or decrease resistance to maintain the target power. Though now this fall we’ve seen Zwift offer that with more and more trainers. Not sure if this is related to belt (so some lubing maybe). Yes, you can pull it out of the box and start pedaling but that’s it. Why is it so hard to set up? link to youtube.com I seem to have found I actually can make the small ring up front work out well. Without the block my saddle is perfectly level, as on my bike, and therefore it is much comfier. Is this related to an earlier version? Does the Suito need calibrating on each different transmition mode for example? The odd thing in my opinion is that the freeride shows actual power and the on the intervals it shows just the power i had aimed for even if i made small surges. I’ll stick to the powerbox for everything for now! For everyone who has knocking sounds, or flywheel wiggle / movement. I returned my first Suito because of flywheel wobble. Starting with Zwift, you can see the Suito listed as not just a controllable trainer, but also within the regular power meter and cadence section. Is the direto X is risk free? Jumps to 40rpm when you just do the first pedals at less than 10. Did a 1 hour TrainerRoad program today and I’m happy to report everything went well. Has anyone else had these issues? For the purposes of below, I’ve slated it up against the Elite Zumo, Wahoo KICKR CORE, and Tacx Flux S. Or basically, the least expensive direct drive options for each of the brands. You’d want to swap the cassette, else it’ll be crap each time. N-series SUL. I have “stupid” question. It’s really just best to look at the rear flywheel and see if that’s causing the wobble. Yeah, different cassettes have slightly different spacing. There is no specific pattern (yet) and the knocks are not very frequent, but i am getting worried. – run the calibration. Copyright © SmartBikeTrainers 2016 - 2019, Bkool Sells Its Hardware Business to Versa Design, Focus On Software, SMARTCap: The MidRange Trainer Battle, Elite NERO Review, and How to Earn the Zwift MTB Bike, KOM Cycling Indoor Bike Trainer Desk Review. Sent out Friday and received on a Wednesday. Yet, a few days after my purchase while using My E-training app to command the HT, I noticed a real difference in watt…(I use my Assioma Duo like to my Garmin 935 in parallel): my Assioma pedals announced 310 while the Workout session was around 285. Now it’s like 2 hours later than I had wanted to ride, my lame attempt at pre-workout nutrition somewhat ruined. Fine in big gears 1-4 and small ring at front. At first I thought I was a little bit dizzy but I did it a few times to check. The subsequent ANT+ and BLE calibrations were all over 10K. But after sharing some more measurements with them that showed the inconsistencies I got a manual (and individual) update. Is anyone still experienced having to send them back because of the issues ? Robert. Was the elite suito noisy As you can read here, a lot of users on zwift have the same problem: low power readings at higher power output. I’ll probably wait until it’s warm enough to ride outside again and until then just make do with the faulty unit…. Here´s the the training: ´ No wobble or noise, but the wattages are completly off. Keeping my fingers crossed that nothing changes for the worse as the days go by. Same on my trainer. In your experience, how much lower does the Suito measure power compared to your power meter. I personally prefer to always ride with a front wheel block, even on trainers that supposedly don’t need one (like a Wahoo KICKR). So I kept my second. Required fields are marked.If you would like a profile picture, simply register at Gravatar, which works here on DCR and across the web. This time the resistance will not change when using ANT+, this actually happened out of the box and after using my phone to calibrate. Now i think the big nut on the left side of the trainer is slightly loose and I should probably tighten it. Had the ticking or knocking noise periodically. $580.00 (2) 2 reviews with an average rating of 3.0 out of 5 stars. Due to current climate won’t be able to pop into store for support. I’m wondering if Denmark got a batch of the early versions of the trainer, although i’m not sure what the SUB serial number refers to. I received my Suito last week and ran through all of the settings and configurations mentioned in this and several other internet forums. They get these at cost. Usually 3, but sometimes 4. I troubleshot the issue with Elite over a couple of days but ultimately had to send it back for warranty replacement. . Note – I’m not looking for fake data though, which is when the two precisely match. Just drivetrain noise. Where it can matter though is at low-speed high wattage climbs up those 12% or beyond ascents. The most common question I receive outside of the “what’s the best GPS watch for me” variant, are photography-esq based. It involves three steps: 1) Take plastic bag off cassette This means you can pair the trainer and get power/cadence/control, while also pairing up a heart rate strap. The screw of the freewheel hub was a bit loose, thats all. Then hit up Wiggle at the link below! Its now €579 in the Netherlands, sounds like a nice upgrade from my old Tacx iGenius. The bike is attached firmly, the unit is flat and stable on the ground – but the turbo itself almost feels like 2 separate entities allowing this flex to occur. Any ideas? You should check out my videos. I see power differences of 10-15% as well compared to my Assioma DUO’s In general, you should calibrate every once in a while (perhaps every few weeks), or anytime you’ve moved the trainer some distance (like to a new home/etc…). Elite’s got a pretty efficient process for dealing with that should you run into a bum unit. Mind you, that actually isn’t unusual. Get all your awesome high quality DCR kit and gear here! Initial production batches shipped with all-too-short 1-meter cables, but later batches changed to 2.5-meter cables. It’s a nice break from the day to day sports-tech talk, and I hope you get something out of it! Good Luck. This $8 case fixes that, it's a silicone strap that makes it easy to grab, but also has a strap to easily place on the edge of your handlebars. I was really pleased with it, no wobble in the flywheel, accurate power well within spec, quick response in ERG mode – but it took it three hours to start making the dreaded knocking noise. No cross chaining causing this. Many trainers actually have very slight wobble with flywheels or the machining of the trainer roller. You get access to this parameter in “advanced configuration” section of the app and you have to provide the number that is written upon the box of your pedals (in my case, the data is sent from the left one, so this number) and restart. For me, in my testing, I used Zwift and TrainerRoad as my two main apps (which are the two main apps I use personally). Whilst turning the pedals and increasing the resistance, the brake mechanism was touching the silver wheel, and the grinding / screeching noise started. I am thinking to buy some SRM x Pedals but this would only be useful when they are used by the SUITO in ERG Mode. It is a really alarming sound and must be bad for the trainer. Keep up that good work. When the trainer is paired with Zwift, I do not find the little spanner icon on Zwift to allow for calibration. How hard would it be to put a set of links onto a page? 170 watt on my 4iiii is 135 on the Suito, 290 watt on 4iiii is 210 on the Suito. Friendly regards Theo. I shipped the unit back December 14th. The Suito is great, I think I have ridden it almost every day since it magically started working. I can only barely (maybe) break 1,000w for a second or two, and even most front of the non-pro pack cyclists aren’t going to top 1,800w. So Elite is marketing the wobble as a feature. Kick on 10% for 450 EUR – not direct drive but let’s just grab the extra money and spend elsewhere Have the teething issues with this one been addressed? Received my Elite Suito about 2 months ago and overall I am really enjoying it. Did some ERG mode and free riding in Zwift. Wahoo has the CORE, Tacx has the Flux 2 and Flux S, and Elite has the Direto X as well as the new Direto Suito. Either way, whichever variant you have you’ll know it within seconds. I think ultimately if the latter gives me that same deal I might grab it. I do quite a bit of these on a weekly basis as you see. We’ll talk more about accuracy later on in the accuracy section – so what about road feel? Think my written reviews are deep? Bought an extra cadence sensor. Any thoughts appreciated. The PowerTap P2 pedals for example, if I analyze the left/right split, look oddly separated – far more than they should be (or my balance is). I rely more on my pedal as they will the ones which comes along races. To find out you better not rely only on tests by influencers, who get hand selected or massaged equipment send over by the manufacturer. Any suggestions before I contact my retailer? There’s enough space to make it work physically, and thus people install it – do all the normal gear alignment stuff, but if you swap to a different wheel or trainer, then it goes askew. I fear I already know the answer…. In my opinion, the Suito is a very good trainer for the money. This is also included, whereas with most trainers it isn’t. I wish you all guys luck. I used the suito boost adapter for non drive side and the correct supplied one for the drive side. Suito is telling me that it is because of where the watts are being recorded and offered this solution: “A difference of around 15W may be due to where the power is measured (the power sensor measures it on the crank while we measure it on the hub)”. Is this expected? Didn’t fully remove that yet. My hypothesis at this point is this – I am wondering whether the trainer warmup needs to be longer and whether I am just doing something wrong. Honestly, there’s little reason most of this matters if you use the defaults in Zwift, because it automatically halves the values anyway. It’s just that there’s still a divide there – primarily driven by that flywheel weight. If power is important to you, you‘d better buy a trainer with a built in powermeter (unless you’ve got one one the bike). Here’s a bunch of random trip reports and daily trip-logs that I’ve put together and posted. Now stay with me here – this setup is gonna be pretty complex. I got out an iPad and tested Zwift using BLE FTMS and still didn’t get resistance. I like you am drawn to the Elite for similar reasons. And, in case you can’t remember which power adapter is which, here’s a closer look at the specs on this: Of course, that bit is mostly for my own benefit, when I mix them up and have to refer back to my own review to figure out which is which. The Suito reads about 12-15% under my Quark, which has always read consistently with Vector 3 and my InPower. What the suito will replicate, the slope or the power ? I enjoy your vids and reviews. Weerstand berg op is voor iedereen Less calibration for direct drive was appealing as i have no other powermeter. I bought a Suito yesterday. This is also not possible as there have be fluctuations. Also, the weight of the KICKR flywheel has some merit. That will at least get me very coherent data! Until this week it hadn’t happened that regularly but I started using Zwift this week and it has happened a lot more. Welcome to the world of SUITO! I have a Di2 shifter, is that compatible with the Elite Suito using with Zwift? I’m still doubting between the Kickr Core & Elite Suito trainer And lastly, if you felt this review was useful – I always appreciate feedback in the comments below. I use Elite Qubo Fluid, i dont use Zwift or another program, simply – pedals with powermeter, fil/music – go. Can you only see these fluctuations or can you also feel them? I understand that this is an abstract value for the time it takes the trainer to spin down, so maybe it’s just bearings and the freewheel and the drivetrain in general settling in? But they literally mean to just pull it out of the box – no assembly, no dealing with random crap, just pull and pray. Hmm, I wouldn’t expect front-end wobble to be honest. Shifting is fine now, but the noise makes me nervous. I ask because I am interested in the Suito and don’t have a Powermeter to check it’s measuring correct. (Note: All of the charts in these accuracy sections were created using the DCR Analyzer tool. I’m desperate, I have finally received a new Suito replacement. So for that, we need to actually look at the overlay from TrainerRoad showing when it sent the command followed by when the Suito achieved that level. My Suito is with serial SUK and hw4. Thus despite Elite ‘fixing’ the issue in early October – people kept getting less than awesome trainers into November. All and all a bad experience. The good news is that wheel-on trainers work well and can be had for a very good price. Not long ago, getting a good direct drive trainer meant spending around $1,200. I saw this happen for about two days of testing that week without any real explanation. I also had this issue and it was fixed by the latest firmware. What I notice is there is almost no momentum carried into the start of a climb. VO2 MAX intervals were impossible at first, now they just hurt as they should. There are no instructions for example, how to pair it, that they have apps, what the apps actually do, how to use it with a Garmin, for example, and a whole host of other issues. First, there’s a handle. Ride on! hetzelfde toch ? Think the Suito would be a good match with an MTB 1x? Especially when I saw the flat powerline of friends using a wahoo trainer. However, I have noticed considerable difference in power numbers between the Suito and my Quarq DZero. Is there a way to get a solid axle, closed with regular nuts on the Elite Suito? Will end up buying from your link, these are excellent reviews, so my way of saying thanks eventually…, Between Kinetic 7000/ T-6500 and Direto X here. The trouble with the Elite app is that it says to increase speed without saying to what level. What is the most vise decision assuming the my narrowed down makerket is now: It doesn’t cost you anything extra, but your purchases help support this website a lot. In 2017, Elite introduced the Elite Direto – a solid direct drive trainer that was priced at $899. The Suito isn’t super noisy. I know it has an 11 speed cassette. Ordered from an internet retailer in US for 619$, delaer said he just got a fresh batch of these, so fingers crossed it’s one of the newer ones. Hopefully I will get a fast response from CT, they had the replacement Suito out the door the next day after my return. But I still find it rather incredible that apparently pretty much every manufacturer of these devices throws new models on the market while there are still some pretty major issues to be sorted out. Looks like a dream…. Vincenzo/Emma, I have the same question as Emma, I have also an (old) bike with an 8-speed cassette. Glad you are enjoying the content and videos and thanks for your support . Can you please help me with advise, orientation? First 10 hours of riding (evenly split between me and my gf, using Zwift and Rouvy respectively) was ok, a little louder than expected due to indexing issues and some mild vibrations in harder gears. I did swap out the stock 11-speed cassette with the 10-speed from the actual wheel. I dig into the nuances of these both within the power accuracy section. Update: I recieved my replacement from Zwift today and despite them saying they would send me a later production model, I somehow got one that is even older. And then you’ve got the power adapter. I’d go with a dual HR strap instead – any day. Any one else have this problem or know if it’s suppose to be one or two spacers It doesn't have smartphone/ANT+/Bluetooth integration, but it does have secondary outlets. Shouldn’t their ERG algorithms smooth this out? Disappointing but seems to be working ok. Why can’t people just make things that work. I uninstalled Zwift, reinstalled Zwift, tested but no resistance. It’s less noisy than most trainers made prior to 2018. It tightens clockwise, and you will feel when it’s tightened again, if that’s the issue. Guess I’m out 600 bucks. Did you notice this? So far. The not smoothed power is closer to the truth. The Suito follows the same app compatibility standards as previous Elite products, and essentially follows the industry norms as you’d expect from a high-end trainer. where is the screw adjustment for the belt on Suito ????? No cost to you, easy as pie! Each bike wheel got less wobble than that trainer. I can’t tell if some of the noise is the quirks of my bike in certain gears or the actual ticking noise described. Hi, I´m still Looking for a solution concerning the “chain noise” at high Speeds. The manual is also not very clear on powerlink and how it works. A 10% grade feels like a 5% grade. You’ll see one was recorded via ANT+ on an Edge 530, while the other was recorded via Bluetooth Smart on Zwift Apple TV. Elite is doing a great job taking care of those with issues, at least they did for me. I like my front wheel to stay put and not aimlessly wiggle around. Now it’s seems more likely risky than good for sure. You might remember that two years ago when that trainer came out it completely dominated sales in the mid-range, backordered for months. but 10s and 11s should be very similar, especially the central block. I just purchased one. If the flex includes the flywheel moving side to side (which I suppose it does from your description, because I could also feel mine wiggling in the opposite direction of my pedaling – very annoying), then I would first check if the 30mm but on the opposite side of the cassette is still tight. Had to return it. You can certainly use the CycleOps one just fine though! It still rides fine but I definitely wouldn’t feel confident about the long-term life of it if the internals are making such a noise. I am having some issues with the setup using a 10-speed Shimano Cannondale. However, once they explained the logic behind the system and how it works – it makes complete sense. I did and was put on hold for a little while. If the goal is to have a kick butt training environment you will want to buy a good flatscreen TV. While Elite was first reluctant to help me out with the inconsistent numbers. The data isn’t sent via the Bluetooth Smart HR device profile, just the ANT+ heart rate device profile. Elite says they first made a fix for it in September, but that it didn’t seem to address the problem as well as they thought. This is all in addition to the trainer itself. Suito’s price range that I’ve seen at most stores I scan is now 585 to 629. Using checked luggage there’d be no problems at all, it’s well under the standard 50lbs/22kg weight limit most airlines use. I unscrewed the small plastic cover on the rear left side (from looking behind the trainer towards your handlebars). They agreed they made a mistake and told me to forget about sending a video. Which has nothing to do with Elite per se, and more just the timing nuances of each. I also need the unit to be reliable. I had one of the early units and had to return it. As I’ve noted countless times this indoor trainer season, it’s been a rough one.